@Justin Tadlock - Ok, I can see your point of view. I guess I really shouldn't have grouped both in the same conversation but for some reason, felt it was warranted. I know Matt has said that BBPress is sort of at the position WordPress was a few years ago. As for WPTavern using BBPress, I've made the investment into VBulletin and the chances are slim to none on this site ever using the software. So I suppose since I don't use the software or have used the software, that doesn't leave me much room to talk lol.